Increase Primals and Ferals Damage Modifiers of Beastlord
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Xavion
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if that statement is true then yes bl do need a drastic buff they are by far a pita to play for the amount of maintenance they need to even parse considering they have to maintain and time their attacks to keep afloat that feral rage buff and keep up the savagery meter all while having to execute other elements of scripts while trying to maintain both. If they are suppose to be t1 any or some or all of following would be a welcome change in some form
- double the duration on the feral rage to make it less of a maintence hassle on out jousts
- double the CA % buff feral rage gives per tier
- buff primals by atleast bare minimum of 75% to maybe 100%
- buff the damage increase multi on each tier of savagery
- allow warders to gain celestial and ancient tier instead of being capped at gm for way more dmg
Looks like the post came from here https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq2/index.php?threads/beastlord-revamp.560796/#post-6211556
Although from a few years ago this clearly states bl should be t1 dps.
In that case we need a large boost to advantages and primals! As well as boosts to other abilities to bring them up to date and make them relevant.
Guess we need to start separating out the suggestions into individual posts to make sure they can be voted on and implemented
Although from a few years ago this clearly states bl should be t1 dps.
In that case we need a large boost to advantages and primals! As well as boosts to other abilities to bring them up to date and make them relevant.
Guess we need to start separating out the suggestions into individual posts to make sure they can be voted on and implemented
Well then. If that is the case then maybe the suggestion Keey posted isn't absurd.
Back when they were working expansion 12?
"The current design goal is to bring them back to the forefront of Tier 1 DPS. "- Kander
"Beastlord changes will be with Campansion 12. They are on our minds."- Kander
BL are not T1 so they should not need to keep up worth the T1. The fact that they happened to be T1 for while is an "accident" ...
BL has great utility and ignoring that asking for top be t1 is greedy. that fact that the current content does not make use of that utility is not an excuse in a 20 year old.
According to Kandar BL are T1 (previous posts link to the comment from them saying bl is t1 and should be bought back to t1), not sure what the great utility u think a bl brings is? They have 0 buffs worth anything, if they sit in spiritual stance they bring poor dps and poor healing (healing only works while hitting the mob) and zero buffs, you would not take a bl over a t1 dps at the moment, you would not take a bl over a healer at the moment and you would take a bl over a utility class like bard, chanter or rogue so what is a bl worth?
Xavion
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most of the bl "buffs" are in some vantages and primals and even buffs from the warders but ALOT of those are severally outdated and need to be 10x'd in some cases to even be modern standard for a buff. atm only "buff" we have is chilling claws giving i think 5k pot to group thats it
The only time my BL is in Spirtual stance is when the group/raid runs out of power feeders and even then I need an Illy or someone to help the group on mobs that suck a lot of power and my manastone doesn't work. We don't give useful buffs so obviously we aren't supposed to be good at that. And our heals are only useful if the group needs small wards. Also, I usually have to be 7m from the mob to even do any of this so I can cast them and build savagery, so on 'ranged' fights I'm pretty useless. I have to pocket my warder if we fight things that aren't 'attacking' like some of the ice things in the E'ci fight that entomb others, but ok that's a mechanic I can live with. If I could be in between T1 and T2 in dps and also have some useful buffs for the raid or group that would be ok with me. But I don't. And Advantages/Primals just sit there with no way to improve them.
I never quite understood the argument of whether Beastlord is/should be classified as a T1 or T2. Common description is a T2 typically comes with utility, to justify the lower damage output.
The thing is, the Beastlord can't deliver both right now at the same time like a rogue or summoner can. You can't be in feral and heal/buff, you can't be in spiritual and dps (well enough).
So why not boost feral to bring it back in line with other T1 dps, because there's no other route to go when in feral. I wouldnt see any issue with boosting/revamping spiritual's buffs either as a side bar, because it's a definite that they can't dps anywhere near T1 (or T2 for that matter) when in spiritual. I'd call it a bonus of the premium class of being able to "choose" if you're going to be a T1 or T2.
The thing is, the Beastlord can't deliver both right now at the same time like a rogue or summoner can. You can't be in feral and heal/buff, you can't be in spiritual and dps (well enough).
So why not boost feral to bring it back in line with other T1 dps, because there's no other route to go when in feral. I wouldnt see any issue with boosting/revamping spiritual's buffs either as a side bar, because it's a definite that they can't dps anywhere near T1 (or T2 for that matter) when in spiritual. I'd call it a bonus of the premium class of being able to "choose" if you're going to be a T1 or T2.
Tell me the utility that we have? Summoners have way more utility and are t1 worthy.
So I guess to sum this up all advantages and primal abilities need an increase of 50-100% to bring BL back to the T1 dps it was intended to be as the post from Kandar (https://forums.daybreakgames.com/eq2/index.php?threads/beastlord-revamp.560796/#post-6211556) stating that BL are intended to be t1 dps.
its Kander Quote u can Dm him he is friendly, it was years ago.
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badname912
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Umm group wide damage proc (including couple thousand potency and some cb on those abilities) and like the largest all damage % increase of any class?
Same question can be asked... What utility is the summoner bringing that's better than the BL?
Rez, heals, power, insane mitigation buffs, single target, damage proc, stoneskin, single target fervor buff, pets provide buffs to stats, they can dispell and cure those were just off the top of my head. basically about 100 times the utility and more dps of a bl.
And that is vs a tiny potency amount for the grp, a minor damage proc. The damage increase you mention is that the epic 3? Which is a joke when the mobs are capped at 50% adding x% more when the mob is permanently at cap is nothing. We have tiny amounts of cb on one primal but no overcap so almost worthless. Our epic 3 does zip where a summoners increases the amount of shards/hearts adds a raid wide cboc or fervor proc and increases the summoners dps.
Xavion
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well aside from all that we need to come to a agreement on what the buff should be to everything primal and feral related. Since the overall goal is to get em back to t1 dps would a buff of 1.5x to advantages and 2.5x for spirit/feral stance abilities be enough? or does it need more?