Poisonous Plan

[badname912]

The brigand epic 3.0 ability is essentially the same as the assassin... Except the assassin one deals 10,000x more damage while also doing more debuffs with % increase and combat mit.

The brig epic needs a huge buff in all aspects of it.

 

[HOF-Topo]

Granted it's difficult to gauge the value of debuffs (combat mit in this case), ACT rates the damage very low. Doubling the 13.6 sec duration would make it more useful.

 

[badname912]

For clarity this ability should be double the cmit reduction it does. And about increase the damage by around 10x if not more just to bring it from bottom of parse to the middle.

 

[Silverman1]

For those curious for the comparison...
PP does about 0.05% of parse... and Tracing does like 10%
Tracing does everything PP does except better. Its more CMIT its more % dmg increase (all dmg vs just phsyical)
PP needs like a 150x increase to do what TW does..
Dont come crying saying "BUT ITS AN ASSASSIN IT SHOULDNT PARSE LIKE ONE" i get that but TW does everything PP does but better.
and the assassin has plenty of other things that would keep it above brig even IF Posionous Plan got a 150x dmg increase to make PP do the same 10% of a brigs parse..
Not to even mention that TW has 100% uptime vs 15% uptime on PP...
So my request for PP is to

- increase it by 150x its current dmg OR -increase it by 50x and increase its duration to be 100% uptime. (justification for this from my data is TW hits about 3x as often as PP - so 3x less dmg than the 150 = 50x)

and

- add % dmg increase to all dmg

 

[Chath]

Agree with all of the above. Giving it full uptime and greatly increasing its damage seems sensible to me, and I think the CMIT and damage reduction debuff should be the strongest from any class: they're brigands, and debuffing should be what they're the best at, full stop. I'd say triple the combat mit debuff, double the physical damage increase, and add all-damage increase at triple the current value of the physical increase. Complete agreement on it having full uptime (probably just using the assassin reuse/duration numbers?)

 

[Jrox]

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For those curious for the comparison...
PP does about 0.05% of parse... and Tracing does like 10%
Tracing does everything PP does except better. Its more CMIT its more % dmg increase (all dmg vs just phsyical)
PP needs like a 150x increase to do what TW does..
Dont come crying saying "BUT ITS AN ASSASSIN IT SHOULDNT PARSE LIKE ONE" i get that but TW does everything PP does but better.
and the assassin has plenty of other things that would keep it above brig even IF tracing wound got a 150x dmg increase to make PP do the same 10% of a brigs parse..
Not to even mention that TW has 100% uptime vs 15% uptime on PP...
So my request for PP is to

- increase it by 150x its current dmg OR -increase it by 50x and increase its duration to be 100% uptime. (justification for this from my data is TW hits about 3x as often as PP - so 3x less dmg than the 150 = 50x)

and

- add % dmg increase to all dmg

I like the comparison to TW and makes good sense. However, I thought he posted somewhere about not doing % damage-based increases.

But I do like the idea and think this is a definite win for Brigs!

 

[badname912]

Starting to think these forums were pointless. Only 1 change was ever made. And it was like 4 months ago

 

[badname912]

View attachment 426

For those curious for the comparison...
PP does about 0.05% of parse... and Tracing does like 10%
Tracing does everything PP does except better. Its more CMIT its more % dmg increase (all dmg vs just phsyical)
PP needs like a 150x increase to do what TW does..
Dont come crying saying "BUT ITS AN ASSASSIN IT SHOULDNT PARSE LIKE ONE" i get that but TW does everything PP does but better.
and the assassin has plenty of other things that would keep it above brig even IF Posionous Plan got a 150x dmg increase to make PP do the same 10% of a brigs parse..
Not to even mention that TW has 100% uptime vs 15% uptime on PP...
So my request for PP is to

- increase it by 150x its current dmg OR -increase it by 50x and increase its duration to be 100% uptime. (justification for this from my data is TW hits about 3x as often as PP - so 3x less dmg than the 150 = 50x)

and

- add % dmg increase to all dmg

Makes sense to me to fix a useless epic ability that other classes already do better when they shouldn't considering the type of classes they are..

Why would an assassin debuffs better than a rogue/brig. It's silly

 

[Fidd]

Increase the effectiveness of the poison plan, increase its dps and debuff!

 

[Fidd]

or will you leave the brigand with only 1 change?

 

[Jueduo]

So what if we take a page from the swash and look at a reset of double up after casting the epic 3.0 i feel this would be able to add more temps for the brigand as well and offer more damage.

 

[Kenway]

For specificity
Proposed Change to Poisonous Plan II:
Increase the "Damage Done" & "Combat Mitigation" components as suggested below.
Delete the "Applies Planned Poisoning / Hostile Ability Cast" trigger component and add straight up damage component as suggested below.
**Assassin Tracing Wound CA can be used as template.

Expert	Increases all damage done to target by 6.16% Decreases Combat Mitigation of target by 3268.2 Increases Physical damage done to target by 3.08% Inflicts 5,421,745,751,638 - 8,814,913,881,796 disease damage on target Inflicts 5,089,752,135,706 - 8,482,920,227,764 disease damage on target every 2.7 seconds.
Grandmaster	Increases all damage done to target by 6.72% Decreases Combat Mitigation of target by 3565.3 Increases Physical damage done to target by 3.36% Inflicts 5,884,450,425,441 - 9,586,088,334,958 disease damage on target Inflicts 5,552,456,876,181 - 9,254,094,795,223 disease damage on target every 2.7 seconds.

 

[badname912]

I think it's time to restart some of these ideas and thoughts to become implemented. This epic ability feels/is extremely underwhelming considering it's a class specific EPIC ability..


Like several of these brig posts had more upvotes than any other class change. And they were completely ignored... How does that make sense when this whole forum was supposed to be player lead with our most popular ideas coming to fruition.

 

[Auxic]

I think it's time to restart some of these ideas and thoughts to become implemented. This epic ability feels/is extremely underwhelming considering it's a class specific EPIC ability..


Like several of these brig posts had more upvotes than any other class change. And they were completely ignored... How does that make sense when this whole forum was supposed to be played lead with our most popular ideas coming to fruition.

If you look at some of the ones where they were suppose to circle back never did. I hope a revisit.
This one should be updated obviously. Why does would the assassin get the best of both worlds. The 2 abilities should swap.