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Fizzgig

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Considering how lacking bards damage is I'd like to have RO changed to record the bards damage as is and remove the before fervor modifiers qualifier.1737118204695.png
 

echoing

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if fervor applied to the record then VC would become completely broken. the better change would to have bards professional CA/spells do appropriate levels of damage for the current level or increase the % recorded from 6% to something like 10%.

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is the current damage you can get out of VC atm with the way it is currently implemented and i am sure other can get it higher depending on other various things.

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this is my average fervor for the same fight. if fervor applied to the record you can on average take VC damage and increase it by 3500 fervor or x35 damage (this is without a swash in the raid mind you). this would cause VC to average hit 1.645Q per tick on average. and this would be per group member for 10 secs. digging though ACT i see groups getting anything from 40 to 60 procs meaning the total damage would be anywhere from 64Q to 96Q damage per cast of VC

overall i dont think VC needs to be changed and is in a good place. there are many other things you could change that would naturally increase VC on its own but at best you would only want the % recorded to increase.


slight edit to this but seeing as auto is probably a good majority of what is going to be recorded it wouldnt be a straight x35 increase but even if auto was only 50% of the record anything more than doubling non auto damage is going to get to crazy levels of damage. currently for that specific fight it was going roughly 2Q damage per cast of VC.
 
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Fizzgig

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if fervor applied to the record then VC would become completely broken. the better change would to have bards professional CA/spells do appropriate levels of damage for the current level or increase the % recorded from 6% to something like 10%.

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is the current damage you can get out of VC atm with the way it is currently implemented and i am sure other can get it higher depending on other various things.

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this is my average fervor for the same fight. if fervor applied to the record you can on average take VC damage and increase it by 3500 fervor or x35 damage (this is without a swash in the raid mind you). this would cause VC to average hit 1.645Q per tick on average. and this would be per group member for 10 secs. digging though ACT i see groups getting anything from 40 to 60 procs meaning the total damage would be anywhere from 64Q to 96Q damage per cast of VC

overall i dont think VC needs to be changed and is in a good place. there are many other things you could change that would naturally increase VC on its own but at best you would only want the % recorded to increase.


slight edit to this but seeing as auto is probably a good majority of what is going to be recorded it wouldnt be a straight x35 increase but even if auto was only 50% of the record anything more than doubling non auto damage is going to get to crazy levels of damage. currently for that specific fight it was going roughly 2Q damage per cast of VC.
I would think that is an exception though as most vc's tend to be a little less boomy than yours. Not a bunch of bards tossing those kind of numbers or having that kind of fervor. So If the top end bards get to toss out t1 dps numbers for 11 seconds well they are scouts after all makes sense. Sins are tossing 5Q hits out there that are being mimic'd to 7Q. You've worked just as hard as those guys why do you think you deserve less.

Don't think that doesn't mean I believe every other thing on a bard is fine, I don't. But this is a thing that should be changed to bring bards in line with the other scout classes.
 

echoing

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there is nothing i do in my VC that another bard can't do. in fact i dont click anything that is specific to dirge only. the whole RO chain is ascension + moa since they are more effective than clicking CA/Spells. fun fact troubs can do the same thing but better because they can add in discordant verse with the longer record time. the problem is if you give this kind of damage to VC it is going to break all the content in the game and trivialize raid fights. the devs then are going to do 1 of 3 things. either they then nerf VC into the ground and we have Den2 challenge all over again or they balance content around bards doing crazy VC and the lower end guilds you are trying to have benefit from a vc change ends up in the same spot as they started. 3rd option is Gninja makes a mob like zakir was with mimic and you cant use it.... not one of those are very good choices or justify having VC do crazy damage. sure you want a small bump in damage for it in it i can understand but not a massive increase that fervor would provide. make recording a slightly higher % would be best case arguement. but with the changes they recently made having fervor apply would just cause problems. and my fervor isnt all that high. only about middle of the pact for my raid force that parses to statter
 
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